Rebuy / Add on / Both?
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·please excuse my ignorance:
1: i thought the premis behind a tourney was you buy in and play till you are broke and the last one with chips wins it all? why would you be able to buy in again during a tourney?
2: what is an add-on?
1: i thought the premis behind a tourney was you buy in and play till you are broke and the last one with chips wins it all? why would you be able to buy in again during a tourney?
2: what is an add-on?
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Some tourney formats allow people to rebuy in earlier rounds. That is giving a player another opportunity to invest more in the tourney for another chance. Rebuys are rarely offered in later rounds (usually first to or 3 rounds) Why? I keeps players playing, puts more in the booty, and can (I stress Can) create a more competitive tourney.
An add on is different than a rebuy in that to add on, you can buy more chips to add to the stack you already have. Again, follows the same premise as above. Gives players more opportunities to be competitive, build a bigger prize booty, etc.
Both have their pro's and cons' against straight buy in, no rebuy or add on tourneys.
An add on is different than a rebuy in that to add on, you can buy more chips to add to the stack you already have. Again, follows the same premise as above. Gives players more opportunities to be competitive, build a bigger prize booty, etc.
Both have their pro's and cons' against straight buy in, no rebuy or add on tourneys.
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·thank you for the clarification!!!
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·I think I'm with Kahuna. Like the idea of add-ons early in the tourney. Don't care for the re-buys.
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·I have no big objections...I think it's just a matter of your philosophy about how you run a tourney. If it were my tourney...when you bust out then you're out. No rebuys. I certainly wouldn't boycot a tourney because of a rebuy rule. I just wouldn't do one myself that way.
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Fair enough. I guess just comes down to the hosters preference. I, like you, woudn't NOT play in a tourney if it had / didn't have RB's or AO's, but there are the up and down sides to each of them.
It does give you a better perspective of the landscape and the players. Knowing that, going into it, it could very well be a gold mine. A bunch of lose agressive players rebuying and adding on, building a higher prize for a strong tight agressive tourney player who plays the right cards at the right time.
I also like that someone in our group has the chance to play in a tourney that pays fat cash for 1st and pretty damn nice for 2nd and 3rd too. I'd take that over a card room tourney, anynight.
It does give you a better perspective of the landscape and the players. Knowing that, going into it, it could very well be a gold mine. A bunch of lose agressive players rebuying and adding on, building a higher prize for a strong tight agressive tourney player who plays the right cards at the right time.
I also like that someone in our group has the chance to play in a tourney that pays fat cash for 1st and pretty damn nice for 2nd and 3rd too. I'd take that over a card room tourney, anynight.
Add-ons make you think about your stack and act accordingly before you bust out. I like the strategy of whether to add-on or not and the minited time to do it.
Rebuy is just too easy an out and lets people get a second chance even if they stunk up the table.
I like the motto when you're out you're out.
Rebuy is just too easy an out and lets people get a second chance even if they stunk up the table.
I like the motto when you're out you're out.
OK - Here's my thoughts on tourneys:
My preference is the freeze out (the style we usually play) with one buy-in and play til you're out of chips or you have them all. My reason for this preference probably has to do with my playing style which you may have noticed, is pretty conservative. I personally don't enjoy shove-fests where someone (or several players) are shoving all the time. JUst think of a sit-n-go on-line and you'll know what I mean. If people have the chance to reload, thgough add-ons or re-buys, they are tempted to be less protective of their chips and somewhat more careless and wreckless.
Rebuys and add-ons also add more complexity to the planning (not event planning) of how to play a tourney. How much $ do I need to risk to play this re-buy tourney properly? Ususally you need to plan to invest the maximum amount possible to play a re-buy tourney properly. Do I want to invest the buy-in + x number of re-buys/add-ons only to play for 3 hours and bust on the bubble? Hmmm..., not really. Freeze-outs are easy - pay one price, manage your chips, pick your moments and hope the cards work out for you.
That doesn't mean that I would absolutely not playin a re-buy tourney, but I'll likely never host one. The only wat I'll have re-buy type availability is if we end up with a reserve list and bust-outs get the chance to get in line behind the reserves.
Regarding blinds etc........I'll post in the other thread on this one........
My preference is the freeze out (the style we usually play) with one buy-in and play til you're out of chips or you have them all. My reason for this preference probably has to do with my playing style which you may have noticed, is pretty conservative. I personally don't enjoy shove-fests where someone (or several players) are shoving all the time. JUst think of a sit-n-go on-line and you'll know what I mean. If people have the chance to reload, thgough add-ons or re-buys, they are tempted to be less protective of their chips and somewhat more careless and wreckless.
Rebuys and add-ons also add more complexity to the planning (not event planning) of how to play a tourney. How much $ do I need to risk to play this re-buy tourney properly? Ususally you need to plan to invest the maximum amount possible to play a re-buy tourney properly. Do I want to invest the buy-in + x number of re-buys/add-ons only to play for 3 hours and bust on the bubble? Hmmm..., not really. Freeze-outs are easy - pay one price, manage your chips, pick your moments and hope the cards work out for you.
That doesn't mean that I would absolutely not playin a re-buy tourney, but I'll likely never host one. The only wat I'll have re-buy type availability is if we end up with a reserve list and bust-outs get the chance to get in line behind the reserves.
Regarding blinds etc........I'll post in the other thread on this one........
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I see it a little differently in that I don’t calculate how many rebuys and add ons I will need to make in order to win the tourney. I look at it as “I should play accordingly to the field. The rebuys and add ons will build a bigger pot for me in the end, so I need to play a strategy that knocks them out and puts me in the money�
As I write this though, I also remind myself that there is something to be said for a one buy in, one shot at the monay. As those are equally exciting. My favor to the add on and rebuy structure is that at the end of the day, there is more loot for the bubble. I don’t necessarily think that this creates a shove fest, per say, but may loosen up some peoples play, knowing that the rebuy “crutch� is out three. A persons style, technique and strategy of play will not change or swing from one end of the spectrum to the other. People generally speaking (unless they are learning the game) have already adopted their style of play. Adding a rebuy or an add on simply means that they have the opportunity to make the same mistakes again, for more monay.
Take Brian for example. Frogs ass tight with monay, and wouldn’t have done a rebuy at the $40 buy in / $40 rebuy, but did see value in the add on, providing it was done at the right time. I as well, asked myself, if I add on, will I be getting my chips worth to be competitive as the game progresses. It’s a mental matter of how you spend the monay in your head. Do I buy something for $99.95 or $100.00? At the end of the day, it’s effectively the same amount of monay. Was I willing to risk a total of 80 dollars to win $450? That was a fair investment for me. I also considered who I was playing against and how my chips would stack against theirs.
There is something to be said for both. Wherever you go, you will find all three (RB’s AO’s and Buy in Bust Out).
I think in the end, it boils down to personal preference. I really didn’t think the add on was going to be much of anything when I hosted. But having counted them up at 16 total, apparently people liked it and added on to continue their playing in hopes of getting ahead in the tourney. It got some short stacks to the final table, and other it did nothing for them. I firmly believe that my mid second round add on, in addition to two specific hands that I forced myself to fold and not play made all the difference in where I ended up. One hand in particular was a straight draw where Hagar was in the hand and he made the K high straight. I knew that if I got into that hand with him at the river, it would have cost me a lot. That’s just the way I play, and that’s the way Hagar plays.
I like them, I also see the value of not having RB’s or AO’s.
As I write this though, I also remind myself that there is something to be said for a one buy in, one shot at the monay. As those are equally exciting. My favor to the add on and rebuy structure is that at the end of the day, there is more loot for the bubble. I don’t necessarily think that this creates a shove fest, per say, but may loosen up some peoples play, knowing that the rebuy “crutch� is out three. A persons style, technique and strategy of play will not change or swing from one end of the spectrum to the other. People generally speaking (unless they are learning the game) have already adopted their style of play. Adding a rebuy or an add on simply means that they have the opportunity to make the same mistakes again, for more monay.
Take Brian for example. Frogs ass tight with monay, and wouldn’t have done a rebuy at the $40 buy in / $40 rebuy, but did see value in the add on, providing it was done at the right time. I as well, asked myself, if I add on, will I be getting my chips worth to be competitive as the game progresses. It’s a mental matter of how you spend the monay in your head. Do I buy something for $99.95 or $100.00? At the end of the day, it’s effectively the same amount of monay. Was I willing to risk a total of 80 dollars to win $450? That was a fair investment for me. I also considered who I was playing against and how my chips would stack against theirs.
There is something to be said for both. Wherever you go, you will find all three (RB’s AO’s and Buy in Bust Out).
I think in the end, it boils down to personal preference. I really didn’t think the add on was going to be much of anything when I hosted. But having counted them up at 16 total, apparently people liked it and added on to continue their playing in hopes of getting ahead in the tourney. It got some short stacks to the final table, and other it did nothing for them. I firmly believe that my mid second round add on, in addition to two specific hands that I forced myself to fold and not play made all the difference in where I ended up. One hand in particular was a straight draw where Hagar was in the hand and he made the K high straight. I knew that if I got into that hand with him at the river, it would have cost me a lot. That’s just the way I play, and that’s the way Hagar plays.
I like them, I also see the value of not having RB’s or AO’s.
I agree Quads. I totally credit the add-on for getting me as far as it did. When I turned to Didger and said I better add-on to stay competitive at that point it worked out to be just right. That extra $500 at that point made someone question a call if I decided to go all-in or raise double the pot to steal a hand or force out a suck-out on the river.
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