[Hagar]

Are you fucking shitting me? :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

Please, please, PLEASE tell me you made that whole story up.

I know I'm not the only person in the world to lose to a one outer, but jesus fucking christ - Quad Kings, called by 2 players, and rivered by a one outer?. And no bad beat JP? WTF? :!: :!: :!:

I would quit poker forever if I lost a hand like that for that kind of dough. TILT would not begin to describe my reaction. :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

OMG I can see it now - "Finally, a pay day. The kind of pay day that erases all those other rediculous beats and suckouts. The one that validates 'the long run'." 8) 8) 8) Then BOOM. :x :x :x Sorry sucker, you're on the rail now. I couldn't take it. Not for $6500. I wouldn't care where the money came from.

You can't be serious.......

 

[Hagar]

Your approach to gambling and money is the way it has to be. If you can afford the stakes your playing for (and of course, you shouldn't play above your affordability level), you have to temporarily forget how much the chips are worth. While the game is on, you're right, they're just chips - try to get a bigger stack. It's not easy to get that mindset, but it's absolutley critical especially if you're moving up in stakes (say from 3/6 - 6/12) - it's all about number of bets, not that they're $6 or $12.

I was thinking about your hand last night and I started to think about how much money I'd have to have to consider putting that much money at risk (not so much the big turn bet - that's a given - I'm talking about the money to sit down at that table to begin with). I couldn't come up with a number that I'd likely ever have. That's just me.

My attitude about gambling, is that if I can walk away with some kind of win, it's been a good night/weekend/session. If I'm on a gambling trip and I happen to hit a relatively hot start, I immediately take my original stake and a little profit and sock it away and then go have fun with the rest of the profit and that's it. I'm leaving here ahead no matter what hapens from here on out. I guess if I had a monster night or two at the limits I'm comfortable with, I might take some of that profit and take a run at a BIG game.

But that's probably the only way I'd have the nuts to do that. I just feel too stupid when I try to get a little greedy and lose a big chunk of money. I always think of the ways I could have put that money to "better" use. In some ways, I wish I had the carefree attitude that "it's only money". In other ways I'm very glad I do not.

For me, poker is about entertainment - I enjoy the challenge of it. Winning is way more fun than losing, but it's just that - winning. The money is just a scorekeeper. That's why I can play just as seriously for $5 as I would for $500. I can experience the thrill of competition without needing to risk large sums of money. Yes - the competition tends to get stiffer as you play for more money, so that would be my sole motivation for playing for higher stakes. Sure having a monster payday from having a great night at higher stakes would be great, but I would cherish the victory more than the dollars.

 

[Hagar]

OK - there's just something I gotta know.

Let's say you decided to wait til the river to announce your power. Would you have shoved (or called a shove) when the 2nd ace hit the river?

I gotta believe you would have (I don't know how I couldn't have assuming I was actually in that spot to begin with), but it does make your hand not necessarily the nuts any more.

Just curious.....

 

[Hagar]

(hey, my kicker beat SB's kicker).

I think that's the thing that puzzles me th most about that hand. How much money does a guy have to call that kind of betting with a Q6? I mean, when you shoved he had KK66A. With all that betting and raising before the flop, just what exactly did he think he was ahead of or was gonna be ahead of? The best card he could of caught on the river was another 6 to give him 666KK. He doesn't think that SOMEONE has one K? I can almost see it (assuming it had been free to play the hand to that point) if he had QQ or 66. At least he had the top pair not on the board or a shot at quads, but Q6? My god, that is just insane.....

In your spot, you just have to believe that they each had an Ace-big (AQ, AJ) hand. The more I think about that hand the more sick I get about it - and I wasn't even there!

 

[Hagar]

HIS call I can understand - it would have been easy to put you on AK. Which of course he was ahead of at the time. That was one of those hands that one of you 2 were going to be unlucky to have lost. He got very lucky, but it's hard to imagine mucking his hand on your shove either. Would you have laid down AAAKK in that spot? You weren't pushing the betting, so he could have easily even put you as little as 66.

But the Q6? I mean he didn't even bet it out trying to bluff. That, at least I can understand. (Would havebeen real bad timing, but at least that makes sense. Even if we forgive him all the other poor calls and bets he made prior to your shove - to call $6500 with that hand?

That's worse than many of the bonehead plays I see at the kiddy tables....