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Quads in Vegas Pt. 2

Saturday Night: Belagio
No Limit Table
Min $2000 Buy In
$10/$20 blinds.

After coming back from breakfast with Dan, he bounced out. We were getting close to the 5 AM hour. SJ is over on the $15/$30 table making a killing. I took a few nice pots and was holding my edge at the table. There is something to be said for sitting at the table that you have been working for 6 hours and started with $2,500 in chips and a guy sits down and immediately buys in for 8 large. He sits down with towering stacks of chips while not playing a single hand and you either feel intimidated by this or you look at it as a potential target. I looked at is as free money. Being that this is what got me to this table in the first place. Someone else money from the 8/16 rush I was on. (see Pt. 3).

It’s getting a little competitive around the table and people are calling $100 and $200 dollar raises. Nice pots are being built a d drug by winning hands. You also know at this point that if someone stays in a hand to the river and they show down, you knew who was going to win the hand. Point being, learn about the other players at the table. Don’t get in a tangle with them if you are on a draw, because he already made his hand if he is paying for the river card. He didn’t need it to help him.

Hero to Zero

Button is to my left.
Cards fly.
Preflop UTG leads out with $100 bet
5 callers including me
Button Folds
SB Raises $500
BB Reraises $1,000
2 Fold
I call with pocket K’s
SB Calls
”Tiny” (a player that has been at the table for the past 3 days that stands about 7 feet tall tipping the scales at a solid 400 lbs, I nick named him Tiny and have pretty much everyone else calling him the same thing, including the dealers) Calls the bet. He’s also going along in the spirit of having fun with his new nickname.

Flop comes KKA
I spontaneously squirt in my pants because I just flopped Quads and we know how I love Quads.
SB Bets $500
BB raises $1,000
Tiny Calls
I call figuring I’m going to let these guy build me a MONSTER pot that I can’t get away from nor can I lose with Quad Kings.
Turn comes 6
SB bets $1500
BB Calls which surprised me.
Tiny checks out
I Raise All In with about $6500. (two racks of greens and a stack of blacks and a bunch of reds)
SB Calls which now has me baffled to no end, however this is the guy who just sat down an hour ago with 8 large for his buy in, so I don’t put him on the K’s (obviously as I have two of them and the other two are on the board), but perhaps the A/6 made him, but I figure he is just stupid. So, bring it on! I didn’t expect to get your chips, but go ahead and send them. I got Quads
BB asks for a count on me. Catching me off guard at first however I try and play it cool as to figure he’s playing a strong card, and possibly trying to get a read on me when I count off. I counted out the $6500 (and some change) and he, with a “matter of fact notion” calls. Now this seriously worries me. After I’ve figured out that SB is stupid and put him on the A/6, I’m thinking that BB must have an Ace at this point, and is betting into me with Aces full of Kings, which I would call as well and would be the right play. When have you ever seen A’s full of K’s get crushed? Or, (there in an OR in this scenario) he could be eating the other end of the stupid sandwich that SB is munching on.
We flip over, and SB flips first. BB and I are looking at each other and both semi waiting for SB to flip over. He does, and proudly announces “I got 2 pair with a kicker”
SB turns over Q/6 off. I’m stunned. He should have mucked his hand and kept eating more stupid sammich.
BB and I turn over. I flip may K’s and say to BB “Good call, but you’re gonna have to beat Quad K’s to take the pot down”
He says and I quote: “Shit!! Shit shit shit!!! I’m gonna need some help. I got Aces full”
Now, for what seemed like an hour, he and I are starring each other down like we are in the O.K. Coral getting ready to draw our pistols out. I of course have a smile on my face, while he says to the dealer, “Like I said, I’m gonna need some help”
Waiting, Waiting, Waiting,
Burn one
Waiting, Waiting, Waiting,
Like slow motion the card came off the top of the deck and slowly made its way down to the felt. I’m getting ready to launch out of my seat and celebrate this MONSTER pot, won with flopped Quads, the conversation I’m going to have with my wife about this kick ass hand, and about 900 other things that can go through your mind in a matter of 1.736455 seconds time.
River, Bullet!
I am in utter shock. Like nothing I’ve ever felt in my life before. Absolute shock.
I stand up, put my hands down on the rail and start looking at this friggin huge pot, the board and my quads that were just beaten by quads.
Gong from 900 things rushing through my head in 1.736455 seconds, to now what seems like slow motion, I stare in amazement at the board for about 30 seconds.
I then realize something that could be FAR more valuable than the $25,000 pot I just lost.
I start jumping up and down as though I won a pot that was 10 times bigger yelling “BAD BEAT!! BAD BEAT!!!! BAD BEAT JACKPOT!!! I HIT THE MUTHERFUCKING BAD BEAD JACKPOT!!! WOOOOWHOOOO!!!!”

This of course brings the poker room manager over along with about ½ the people that were in the poker room up to the rail of this upstairs section. All the while I’m yelling “Bad beat, bad beat” he is walking up to the table shaking his head in a “No, No, No” fashion, but not saying anything.

He comes over and looks at the board, the dealer explains to him that I had quad Kings beaten by quad Aces.
I of course am at this point yelling “Gimmie my check! Gimmie my bad bead check, come on!!! That’s Jay Ayyy Esss Eeee Ennn… Ess Tee Are You Tee Tee… Strutt.. “

The poker room manager after a few minutes of random activity informs me that he is very, very, VERY sorry in that there isn’t anything he can do for me for a bad beat.. and I quote: “The Belagio doesn’t have a bad beat jackpot”

You thought you’ve seen Hagar on tilt?
Hagar was in Disneyland!!!!

I know, shocker, at that point, I decided to call it a night. That was my entire chip stack other than a wad of cash in my pocket. Walking back to the entrance, with my backpack on my shoulder collecting my thoughts, I came to this conclusion:
The scrubs at the Palm’s $2/5 NL table and the dopes at the Belagio $8/16 table (see Pt. 3) got me there. They funded my way on that table. I played on their money. I played my “A” game against some of the best players I’ve ever been up against, in some of the largest cash pots I’ve ever played for. And, in sitting down there for $2500, I shoved in for $6500 with quads. $6560 to be exact. How could you not shove with quads? That’s tripling up. Tripling up from my buy in on to that table which was essentially free to begin with. I met one of the most respected players that I will ever meet at a table, and I had a fantastic time. At the end of the night (now 6AM in the morning) I ended up loosing a hand. But in the loss of that hand, I gained 6500 pounds of experience, and excitement, that of which I couldn’t have bought for twice the amount that I get to take with me. And at the end of the day, Vegas will still be there. I’ll be back in that poker room, hell, probably in a few hours, after I get a drink and some sleep and rub one out. So I’ll just have to play the same game and get back on that table. My chips are there, they are just on the other side of the table for the time being.

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I appreciate everyone’s comments on the bad beat and how much it sucked, as yes, it really did. But I wanted to make a comment to BIG Kahuna in regards to the money thing.

One thing I learned very early on while there and playing at higher stakes tables and in the NL games, was something very very similar to our BYOC games.

I would lose a hand or get rivered, or have a strong pocket pair that I bet that would end up getting folded to a guy who made his straight or flush, or 10/Q two pair, where my KK was no good, etc. etc. etc. and I was finding that I was getting bitter about losing these hands, more so bitter that I lost that chunk of money. And I'd immediately go on tilt for the next few hands or even an orbit or two trying all I could to work it back. Thinking in the back of my mind, "OK, I'm on the $9/$18, I paid two bets all the way to the turn and folded. I'm out $108 bucks, I gotta get that back" or something similar with what ever table I was on. I was relating every hand to dollars and cents.

Now here is what changed it for me.
They are just chips. That’s all they are, they are chips. Little red ones, green ones, black ones, and at one point I have a couple of yellow ones. I never let myself (rather I FORCED myself NOT to) look down and do a count of chips and equate that to dollars. I knew how many chips I sat down with and how many chips I wanted to feel comfortable to start tangling with people in a pot. And when I lost the concept of the dollars associated with the amount of chips, my game changed dramatically. I don’t know that I can explain this in any manner that will make sense, but that was as simple as it is. Chips were chips. That’s all they were.

I was working to build a chip stack, not a dollar stack. So with that, when I cashed out of a table, I simply would look at them as someone else’s chips that I won for playing strong cards. And now what ever I am up from my initial buy in, I’ve now been given the opportunity (by the other scrubs at the tables) to play another game, and better yet, a higher stakes game. Sure, when I was up that night at the Belagio, should have I bounced out and cashed out for 2 racks of greens, a stack of blacks, and a load of red. That would have been sweet! I’ll be the first one to tell you. That would have made a few mortgage payments and bought baby some new shoes and put a few steaks on the table, not to mention the freak show lap dance it would have hooked up at the “Crazy Horse Too�. But I was there to have fun and gamble with SJ and went down there on the absolute last minute. (3PM Friday I decided to take the 8PM flight down)

But, I lost a hand. And I have to look at it as though, I lost a nice hand. Does it suck… sure, it sucks more than sweet sally on nickel night at the bunny ranch. But if I start (now or then) thinking about the money that was in the chips, I go back on tilt. So I take away from that as experience that someone else doesn’t have that I was able to get. Experience that someone else will pay 6500 dollars out of their pocket that I didn’t have to. Someone else bought it for me.

And like I said, at the end of the day, Vegas will still be there. And so will the dopes at the tables.
Southwest flies there nonstop just about every other hour, badabingbadabang.

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Yes, part three in being put together now. I need to confirm some stuff with SJ in my notepad where I didn't get very good notes and am a little foggy on some details.

Part Three will be earlier that day which started at the Mirage (NL for SJ and I) then SJ went to the $15/30 table, then we both ended up at the Palm's and later moving to the $9/18 table at Belagio. This was an amazing rush of cards.

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Yes, Hagar, that’s very true! And this is something that you and I agree on 100% (I know, shocker!!)
Now don’t get me wrong and think that I have this "surplus" of cash to go play these high stakes games and can bank roll a no limit table, (as I don't) but when I was there, I was there to play cards. And that was one of the best times I’ve ever had in my life while playing cards. I started at the lower limits and built my way up.

Sure, hindsight, I should have taken 2 or three times my bankroll I took down there ($500) and stuff that in my pocket, but I was totally and completely feeling the rush of fun while playing. I as well wouldn’t take several thousand dollars down and immediately sit down at the NL table. I like the idea of playing on someone else’s money, so I’d be willing and able to sit at the 8/16 or even 6/12 and double that up a couple of times, which then gets me to the higher stakes tables.

Like you said, and that is most important. It’s two bets. It’s not $12 or $20 dollars. It’s two bets.
And I like you, do this for the challenge, the fun and the entertainment, not for a living.

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Discussion Starter · #18 ·
I'm sure we are saying the same thing... and I echo his other thought about what you are willing to risk. That's why I always say: "You can't lose what you don't put in the middle. But you can't win much either."

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You know, I honsetly don't know. I almost think I would have shoved and or called someone elses shove on the river being that I had quads with an Ace kicker. (hey, my kicker beat SB's kicker). Unless I had a read on the guy or had some inclination that he had pocket aces.

It's hard to say.

I'll tell you this, It would have taken an act of god to get me to lay the hand down.

But then I think about this a little more and think, if I just sat down with 5 large of my hard earned dollars, would have I shoved?

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No, the board was a rainbow. He had two pair. K's and 6's. Don't know what he was thinking either.

And I guess that BB was thinking I was on CRACK when I shoved. (with him sitting on A's full)
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