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I use a hand-me-down Craftsman 10" that is not in the greatest shape. Thinking about upgrading but I'm also limited on space so looking for something that doesn't take up a shitload of room but has a decent fence.

Everyone seems to make a "jobsite" saw which might work but most of them seem to have very narrow fences. I would likely also need an outfeed support of some kind, maybe even support on the side.

I've found this Delta that looks interesting...

Also, don't wanna spend a lot since I work with wood so infrequently. Current table hasn't been used in 4 or 5 years but it doesn't perform terribly well. I think the motor is old and the belt slips off the pulley fairly often.

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Mike,

You are sort of stuck in the no mans land of table saws.
The Delta you link to would be OK I guess but it is closer to a contractor saw than a real table saw.
The issue is what you want, space saving but an out-feed and side support do not go together.
I know Delta has a table saw on a cabinet like this. Its a little more but to get decent cuts you need something more than a contractor saw style. The difference between the two on what you can do is well worth the difference in price.
 

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Mike,

I do have to say the if your old Craftsman saw is like mine all you need to do is some TLC, adjusting and get a new fence. All the woodworking I did on my house here in HI and for all my projects I used this Craftsman 10" with original fence. Of course the table top was perfect and I have a bunch of custom made fence and miter enhancements.
 

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Yeah, I know I'm looking for a unicorn... :( That old Craftsman looks similar to mine but I'm under the assumption that, as with many things, fixing it is just as expensive, if not more so, than just getting a new one.

A new motor and adjusting it so the belt doesn't slip is probably easy. The fence is nearly worthless. I literally have to use a ruler and measure the distance from the miter slot to the front and back edges of the fence and nudge them into position then lock the fence. Then measure it again to make sure locking it didn't misalign things.

A new fence is likely close to value of the saw itself.

I've been watching a bunch of woodworking videos here at work and thinking that if I can do some work in the garage with more shelving and dedicated storage spots for the saw, the chopsaw, the mini router table, etc., the size of the saw wouldn't be as big of an issue. As it is now it sits against the wall and because of the side tables it takes up WAAAAY more space than it needs to.
 

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Mike,

That is the problem with any table saw.....it takes up so much room no matter how you set it up. Even when I had my shop in SD the table saw took up way more room than anything else besides the work bench. But then again I used it more than anything else.

You are right on the new fence. Everything else is elbow grease except the motor and then I would look for a used one with a bad top but a 3hp motor.

The delta I linked to is one I would get. It has wheels so it can be moved easy enough and the fence is pretty nice. That is the other thing about the contractor type saws the fences suck on all the ones I used.

Good luck on the unicorn search :)
 

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There are some contractor saws out there that are quite nice and meet the compact side. The problem is they are relatively expensive if you want a quality drive train and fence. I inherited a Jet contractor saw that is belt driven and has a decent amount of power. The fence isn't the best but it gets the job done. When I need to be more really accurate (better than +-1/16th of an inch) I will measure against the fence but for shop projects its usually close enough without measuring. I know some of the newer models of contractor style saws have really nice quality fences that you can expect to last with normal use. These saws may not meet your budget requirements though. Sawstop I would consider the gold standard but for a more mid range, I've heard really good things about the Bosch contractor's saw. Especially the quality and accuracy of the fence. I almost picked up one of those myself but decided to wait until I could upgrade to a cabinet style saw when I have more room.

Also potentially useful is the way I set up the saw for maximum space saving and mobility. My setup is a small two car garage where we prefer to keep both cars parked in the garage all the time. I only have about 3 feet of clearance next to my car so all my large tools have to be compact and easily movable. I built a dedicated cabinet stand for the small table saw and put locking casters on it so I can move it wherever I need. The table saw top is about 1/2" higher than the height of my workbench so I can easily use the workbench as an outfeed table when a project calls for that. The one area that I don't have with this setup is the ability to process wide stock through the saw as I don't much way to put in table extensions. My saw has an adjustable extension but it only gives me an additional 20 inches and using it makes the Fence much less reliable. Here's a video showing what I modeled my table saw cabinet/cart after. I only made a few changes to meet my particular needs.

 

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I totally agree on the fences of small jobsite saws. I was reading some reviews on Amazon and haven't found one yet that had good things to say about the fences.

Steve's idea is similar to what I was thinking although my first thought was the fold-up jobsite saw that mates with another separate table built to the saw's height for support.

My second idea was to build a bench with a hole in it that I can move my existing Craftsman saw onto and build some extra table top space on one or both sides for support. This, of course, would rely on me fixing or upgrading the fence to be anything but the PoS that it is.

Built off that idea is building the same type of table but build it around a new saw, either contractor or jobsite.

With all that in mind, what type of rip capacity should I be looking for in a fence?

The numbers are all over the place from 20" to 30" on jobsite saws to more on contractor saws. I was just googling and remember while researching this many years ago that Vega makes a well respected replacement fence. They've got it in 26", 40" and 50". 26" seems too small and 40" and 50" are close to and larger than a 4' sheet of ply which is surely overkill. Not to mention having 40" or 50" of extra shit sticking off the side will make it harder to maneuver the saw around the garage when I want to use it.

I have a 3 car garage with the single dedicated to storage, reloading bench, MTB gear, and wood woorking gear, with just enough room for the CBR1000 to sit. When I need the saw I pull both vehicles out and wheel the saw to the double side.
 

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What a great article for comparing these tools. Read the whole thing, really interesting. I hope the new saw works well for you!
 

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What a great article for comparing these tools. Read the whole thing, really interesting. I hope the new saw works well for you!
Yeah, I was pleased in finding it that article. I had no idea there was such a thing as a "rack & pinion" fence but it seems to be pretty solid (I played with a display). I think it will be great and the dust collection will be huge.

I'll likely use it as is but eventually build a small, portable outfeed/side support or take the stand off it and make a small cabinet with a collapsible router table as a side support table. Without the motor sticking a foot and a half out the back the cabinet can be smaller.
 

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Mike-
I used to have a Hitachi that worked very well. Not the one in the vid, but it's younger sister of sorts. I got rid of it when I inherited the Makita shown in the vid. Very happy with it as well. I've for years been a fan of Hitachi tools. Have several that have served me well and stood the test of time.
 

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You can go for a portable model of a contractor saw for more precious and accurate cuts. Besides Delta, DEWALT (DWE7491RS) 10-Inch Table Saw can be a great pick for you. Forget about your space, This model comes with a rolling system that ensures enough portability. And, according to your requirement, it has a flip-over fence.

The budget is your second issue. Right? Well, you’ll wonder knowing that Amazon is presenting the Prime day sale on the 13th and 14th this month where you can get up to 70% off on purchasing a power tool.
 

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You can go for a portable model of a contractor saw for more precious and accurate cuts. Besides Delta, DEWALT (DWE7491RS) 10-Inch Table Saw can be a great pick for you.
I already got the Hitachi. One of the last ones before the rebrand to Metabo. Works fantastic, takes up little space, and is quick and easy to setup. With a couple outfeed supports that were on sale for $15 at Lowe's I'm good.

The budget is your second issue. Right? Well, you’ll wonder knowing that Amazon is presenting the Prime day sale on the 13th and 14th this month where you can get up to 70% off on purchasing a power tool.
Prime Day is an absolute waste of time... Anything I want is a specific model and it's never something the manufacturers want to sell cheap.

If you want a big screen TV but don't give two shits about any of the specs you'll find a deal.

If you want a 65" 4k screen with at least 3 HDMI ports, 2 USB ports, a DP port, refresh of 120hz, at least 170 degree viewing angle, with WiFi and smart programs, all with a thin bezel and no more than 2" thick with 100mm VESA mounting points, you'll never find a deal.

I'm always in the latter situation. I don't want the cheapest which is what is on sale on Prime Day.
 
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