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I got this bright idea last year to build my own craps table.

The table I built morphed into many forms, each one a little better than the previous form.

It is still in progress. I am trying to turn the table into a table I can be proud of. I'll keep you updated as I progress. It is going to take a few entries to get to the point I am at right now.

This is a forum copy of what I posted on my blog at claytonfelt.com

What a pain it is to put this in forum format. Too bad it won't let me just paste the html from my wordpress blog.

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Summer 2011:

At first it was going to be a portable thing to have some fun with friends, while camping, or at friends's houses.
I set out to build a foldable, portable table.
Here is what I ended up with.









I never took a picture of it folded up, but it folded down the center and the ends folded up as well.

I bought the layout from target.com. I needed some chips, and an ON/OFF puck, so I went to amazon.com and found a set.



I bought a stick and some good dice from Amazon also.
We were on a roll and wanting more!



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A solid start! Craps is a great game.

Gonna add some egg-shell foam to the walls?


P.S. Prepare to take crap for the chips. Not personal, it's just what people do here. ;) Check out some of the poker table build threads here, I bet a lot of ideas are transferable.
 

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Fall 2011:
At this time, it was sitting on my pool table, which can also be a small ping pong table. We wanted more.
I got to looking around, and found an old waterbed frame that was not going to ever be used again. I decided to cut it into the necessary lengths needed,
and put it on a fresh piece of mdf cut to size.
We cut and readjusted the waterbed padded rails, and we had us a craps table!







This worked even better. You could drag the dice across without hitting hinges, and you had a real box to contain the dice when thrown.
I discovered the need for more chips, so I ordered another set from amazon.
I got tired of containing all those chips and ordered a blackjack table chip tray. I added it to my table like this







This worked out great! I also bought 10 of those plastic five row chip trays for everyone to use. These work great too.





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Oh, nice! You have developed it a bit already! I thought the first post was where you are now.

Waterbed rail re-purposing. You, my friend, are gonna fit right in here! Welcome, by the way. This place is full of MacGyver wannabees, that was a great mod! Is more coming?

Don't mind Seven, his job it to tease newcomers. If they don't scare off, we know they're OK.
 

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We are playing on our usual Wednesday night, and my wonderful wife comes downstairs and drops a big cardboard box in the middle of the table. She says, "Happy Birthday"!

We open it up and there is the diamond shaped ends for the table! I had been really wanting these, but they are expensive.

Without them you really can't practice dice control at home.

Now the problem:

The diamond ends are 11" tall and won't fit on my waterbed walled table without trimming them. I don't want to do that, so here we go again.

I buy some 2x12 lumber from the local lumberyard and build another box. I find that with the waterbed padded rails hanging on the side, it won't be tall enough to clear the diamond ends. I add another layer of 2x4's on top of that. This thing is getting really tall now.

I also put it on it's own legs and set it next to the pool table. The pool table has a new top on it as well. A full size ping pong table that I brought back from my parent's house.







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They put a new casino in our area, December 2011. I've been there several times, and realized my table isn't really long enough to be helpful as practice for dice control. Now I'm trying to figure out how to make it longer. I decide to add an extension to one end. This includes two more legs. Now this thing has six legs!

You can also see a very cheesey attempt at a chip rail/tray on the side. It was just an attempt. I ditched that idea. I would later come up with a way better idea.





I couldn't find the felt to match my layout at Hancock's, so I got what I could. It's green, but not right. (it matches my light though)







The padded rails are short now. I make some new ones with some vinyl from Hancock's and some foam. I made them from plywood, and didn't do a very good job. I also got some darker felt, and centered the layout. This actually helped the throwing of the dice, as the chips were not so close to the end when placed on the pass line.








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Interesting to see where this is going...


I have a couple of real 12' craps layouts just waiting to become part of a nice home table...
 

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Wow, Shadow. 2 12 foot layouts! My table at the moment is only 8ft. But I'm interested. How did you happen to end up with those?
 

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Wow, Shadow. 2 12 foot layouts! My table at the moment is only 8ft. But I'm interested. How did you happen to end up with those?
My mother-in-law used to work at Sunset Station in Vegas. She procured me a couple that they took off the tables. I used to have one of them hanging like a tapestry in the basement.
 

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One of the guys I play with moved out of town for 18 months to get his A&P license. Good for him!
This put our play on hold for a while. I decide to give the table the face lift it really needs during our down time.

Rounded corners! This is the hardest part of any craps table. How am I going to pull that off?
I decide to try a test with a 2×12 and do the kerf cut to see if it will bend.

It doesn’t work as well as I thought it might.



I decide the heck with the rounded corners. I saw a table on craigslist that looked interesting. It had beveled/angled corners. I decided that might be easier.
By the time the new chip rails (another idea) were added, and the diamond back was in, you won’t even notice the corners aren’t rounded.



Now to cut the top panel to hold the chip rail.







With this idea, I don’t need the extra 2×4 on top of the 2×12′s. The table is looking pretty good!

Chip rails:

I personally don’t want a section on the front side for the stickman to stand. I would rather have room there for chip rails all the way across the front of the table. I usually end up being the only dealer at the table. I run stick and payouts. We let everyone place their own place bets. No need for a stickman section.

I bought a Core Box #8727 1-5/8″ diam 1/2″ Shank #8727 from MLCS Router Bits and Woodworking Products

This is a 1/2″ shank router bit. My router is only 1/4″ shank. I guess I need a new router! I order one of those from ebay. I found a new one cheap.

I made my own router table top and clamped it in my workmate workbench. Now to test it out!
I measure everything out and determine the rail needs to be 4″ wide to hold 2 chip rows. The depth of 1 1/2″ is perfect. Unfortunately, your normal 2×4 is only 31/2 inches wide. I buy some 2×6 lumber and rip it to 4″ wide.
It took a lot of passes, extending the bit a little each time. But it came out great!





Those corners are going to be a problem. I cut the corner chip rail pieces out of 2×6 lumber. I found a post someone else did on building a craps table. They solved the corner routing issue by using the left over piece after cutting the corner, as a guide on the router table. Brilliant! Here is a link to that post the-pattersons.net

Here is the router table setup.



Here is the finished product.



I’ve now cut all the pieces. Between each piece will be a 1/4″ thick divider. I found them pre-cut in 3 foot pieces at home depot.





Now I've just got to route all those single pieces into chip trays. I'm gonna make a huge pile of sawdust!
 

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Dang, what a friggin' tease you are! :lol: This thread is awesome. I keep coming back and there's more. It's worse than when I was addicted to 24! Those chip rails are the shit! :thumb:
 

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I got all the routing done! Here is the pile of sawdust.



I got to the last pass through the router, and the router quit! I opened it up and found the connection to one of the motor brushes broke. I managed to fix that and got it working again. Now I notice the speed control dial on one of the router handles keeps reverting back to the lowest speed. The vibration is causing this. Oh well, I just wanna get this routing done. I hold the speed dial up with one hand, and push the wood through with the other.

A few of the pieces have a knot in them that ends up being a hole in the bottom. A few others had some breakout at the end. If I had a better setup it would have come out better. This is my first experience with routing.

I can always replace these chip trays as needed later. That’s the nice thing about them being separate pieces.

Now to attach all the finished chip trays to the rail.












I start sizing up the padded railing outside the chip trays, and decide the 2 inches of width just isn’t going to be enough. Also, if I use 1″ foam, the height of the padding will be low compared to the chip trays.

I decide to make extensions to extend the padded rail width. I use some of the 1/2" plywood left over.







This works out great. Now to get some foam and vinyl.
I found some great looking gray at Hancock’s on the $5/yard table. The scrap is 3.5 yards. Just what I need.



I got some foam at the Yard Store, a surplus store here in Wichita.

Here we go with the foam.





 

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I glued down the foam with spray glue.

Then, I unscrewed all the chip trays and layed out the vinyl. Then put the chip trays back in place.





I figured out that I had too much foam on there and trimmed it back to where it just went over the outside edge.
Then I started stapling and cutting the vinyl. This is a pain getting as many wrinkles out as possible.

You guys here are pros at this part. I found out I suck at it. I'm doing my best. I tried heating with a heat gun, but the stuff has no give to it. It didn't come out too bad. It just could've been better.








Padded railing in place.





I did this today. You guys are caught up with my progress.

Now to work on the bottom. I plan to remove the legs and build a platform out of 2x4's to set it on. Also cut the round ends on the bottom.

I have a new layout to put down as well. It is the same as the other one. Just not worn out.
 

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I figured you guys would be interested in an update. I worked on the table for a few hours last night.

I started on the base/bottom of the table yesterday.

I took the whole top section and set it aside.



I removed the sides and legs and sized up the parts left over.

I removed the extension piece I had added on the last upgrade, as it was a piece of 1/2" OSB mating up to 3/4" for the main table. I had purchase a piece of 3/4" a couple weeks ago and it was time to put it to use.

I used a couple of 4 foot 2x4's underneath the main table and screwed the new section on.

I pieced together some of the legs and 2x4 lumber into a basic frame. I decided to re-use the blue board that I had as a shelf under the table, between the back legs. This shelf gives you somewhere to store extra chips and trays and all the stuff you need. It also added some support to the free standing legs. It also gave me a pre-set dimension for length to start with.

Here is the free standing structure for the base. Notice the top behind it with the 2x4's and extension piece.



I know, it looks pretty shaky doesn't it? By the time I add some braces, it will be solid.

I set the board on the base and cut the round corners on the board.
Then I got to bracing up the base. I still wasn't sold on the size of it yet. I figured if I could make it solid, then I would keep it that size.
I put a cross brace for each direction on. I also tightened up and added more screws. It became solid.







I discover the extension isn't flush with the rest of the table. The wood isn't exactly the same thickness. Imagine that!
I pull it up and add some of my left over vinyl as a filler. I also add some more 2x4's at the seam. This works out perfect. If you look under the table, you can see the vinyl, but who does that? I can trim it up later.



Here is where I am now. I'm thinking I should get some 1/4" plywood and put it on top so you don't see that butt ugly OSB for a drink rail. I plan on staining everything when done.



 

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That nick in the rounded corner chip tray irritates me. I can't look at the pictures without searching for it.

Still, fan-fuggin-tastic build.
 

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Yeah, I know Wedge. That nick is just one of a few issues that irritate me as well. I can always fix that stuff later.
My problem is that, my friend that went out of town, sometimes returns for a visit. He ALWAYS wants to play craps when he does. I want to get this upgrade in playable condition soon.
Then I can go fix all the little things easily.
Thanks for watching.
 

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So when your group plays, do you act as the house? I.E. do you bankroll the wins and losses? And if so, are you generally ahead? If you are the house, I'm assuming that you are not rolling?

If that's true, it sucks to have such a great table and not play on it...

Q: When are we getting craps in the PMC casino? That would be baller.
 
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