[skadet]

So I'm playing 3/6 before the tourney (i'm like 4th or 5th alternate). Overall nothing to report. Came up ~$50 in the 45 minutes or so I played. Then the tourney comes.

I make a couple of nice hands, put a couple nice beats down (My all-in A2s beats all-in ATo and QTo when I flop a 2). I'm blinded away and WAY shortstacked at the 800/1600 blind level - 5 of us left - and go all-in on TT. Chip leader calls with Axo and spikes not 1, but TWO aces on the flop. Bubbled at 5th. Not terrible for the 1st Limelight tourney I've played.

My buddy took 4th for like $66.

After, we played live 3/6. Question for you. I'm in the 5 seat and there's a nice asian girl in the 3 seat. We're in a hand together, but she's busy talking to someone who's standing behing her and to the 2 seat who's out of the hand. River comes and she bets out, I raise, she looks back at the table, flips her cards up, and returns to talking.

I told the dealer the hand was dead. She clearly violated the posted rule of "no exposing cards", blah blah blah. I wasn't trying to be a dick, but I thought if she lost a pot because she was too busy hamming it up with the boys she might pay a little closer attention to the action.

Dealer calls the floor, ruled live hand, she calls and I angrily muck. I'm curious as to your guys' opinions on that one.

I was a little steamed to I took a smoke break then came back to win 3 pots in a row against her (!). She left after the last pot I took.

Honestly, I would say the dealers are friendly and all, but clearly the management is very, very loose about the standards the dealers should follow. On the other hand, I feel the dealers' pain because the players are so goofy. I'm sure trying to keep them in line just results in more abuse for the dealers. Tough situation.

We stayed until 1am, so we were about 4 hours of play total. I took a couple beats, took a couple pots, and made out ~$230 up for the night. My buddy broke even.

What do you guys think about the Slime? Should I try anywhere else? I can hold my own pretty decently at 3/6 and 4/8, and the last time I played 9/18 I got killed - mostly because of the "holy shit, a cap on the turn is $72!" factor. Interestingly, I'm a pretty decent NL player - that is, if the NL game at Cache Creek is any indication.

edit: forgot to mention: I hit my 2nd lifetime straight flush! The first was a royal at capitol (got a nice $400 bonus for that one)... I come back and post $4 after missing the blind and limp with 56d. Flop comes 5x78d. Bottopm pair, open-end straight flush draw. Turn no help, river 4d. Smallish pot, but a two-cards-play 8-high straight-flush made my night happier. Would have been high hand at Capitol, probably! What's wierd is maybe a half-hour before, the guy in the 7 seat also had a straight-flush. One card, but a SF nonetheless.

 

[Hagar]

She clearly violated the posted rule of "no exposing cards"...,
...Dealer calls the floor, ruled live hand,...

This kind of shit drives me crazy. I don't play at the Slime, so I don't know what thier rules are, but if it is posted, you should give the floor some grief. In some places you can actually guilt the floor into having the house payoff you or the other schmuck when a poor floor decision is made.

I personally stop playing at places where they don't enforce their own posted rules. If it's not posted, you just need to understand how the rules are enforced and play by them or play elsewhere.

But from what I've heard about the Slime, this type of crap is to be expected. As far as other places, 3/6 is 3/6. It's pretty much the same everywhere. I've pretty much stopped playing limit poker as a regular activity. I'll play once in a while to kill a few hours, but it's too hard on my emotions to play it regulalrly. The local NL scene has been pretty well documented here already. Just wade through some of the past posts to find out what's going on around town.

 

[skadet]

She clearly violated the posted rule of "no exposing cards"...,
...Dealer calls the floor, ruled live hand,...

This kind of shit drives me crazy. I don't play at the Slime, so I don't know what thier rules are, but if it is posted, you should give the floor some grief.

They have a "rules board" posted like Capitol Casino does:

1. Only graceful language will be accepted
2. No exposing cards during the hand
etc...

It seems to me like a standard cardroom ruleset, because Capitol's is EXACTLY the same in language and numbering the list. The ass thing about it is, the floor comes over, I point out the rule, and he says, "so what?" and the dealer says, "it never says what will happen if you expose cards". I'm sitting there just absolutely dumbfounded.

 

[skadet]

I forgot another one! At the other 3/6 table where my buddy was playing, the tur comes to make a board of 8TJQ. Buddy's on the button. There's a bet, call, call, buddy announces raise, throws in 6, goes back to the stack to get more, the dealer burns and turns. The players all go, whoa whoa whoa. Nobody called/folded the raise!

Ok, ok, so every dealer's done that. Floor comes over, dealer says "he only put out 6", Buddy's half of the table says that they heard him announce the raise. Ok, raise is good. So the "river" is put back in the stub, shuffled floor tells him to burn again (?!) and turn. K falls.

It was fine for my buddy (he had AK and turned the straight anyway), but who burns again?! Shieeet. I went to the floor afterwards and asked him "are you sure...?" and he says, oh yeah, I've worked in other places that do it differently, but these are the rules here.

Sigh. I swear, it's like an ATM machine surrounded by quadrapalegic alligators. Sometimes you'll get bitten, but you'll be ok more often than not.

 

[Quads]

If you have rules and don't follow them, it's kinda like taking the fast out of food. I don't eat there because it tastes good.

I would have been madder than Jessey Jackson having to answer the White Courtesy Telephone.

 

[Hagar]

...but these are the rules here.

I hear that in almost every card room. I'll never understand why public card rooms can't adopt a set of common rules and play by them - it's really not that complicated. Hell, our home game rules are more consistent than most of the card rooms around here.

It's really bad when experienced card players (not to mention some of the dealers) aren't sure what the complete rules are when they sit down in any given room; what about the poor newbes? And there are tons of things that vary:
-raising partial bets in limit
-exposed cards
-cards in the muck (but retrievable?)
-one player to a hand
-string raising
-bet commital (when is a bet/call/raise considered valid)
-who opens their hand first
-show one, show all
-short buys
-buying the button (on a missed blind)
-dead button or advancing button (when idiot on the button leaves)

Even something as simple as determining the button on a new table is different from place to place. Why is it so hard to get one set of rules?

 

[skadet]

For all the shit talked about Capitol, I have to say that extra $3/hand for the jackpot is worth a decent experience. For example:

*You just must-moved to the next table.
Capitol: option to wait until after the button
Slime: play now, because if you wait till the button passes, that's a missed blind.
(to the Slime's credit, Commerce works that way too, IIRC)

*New table starts. Who gets the button?
Capitol: draw for it
Slime: the 9 (or 10) seat. What the...?

*Hand touches the muck. Dead hand?
Capitol: Duh.
Slime: Who knows? (see previous post about TT mucked then winning the pot)

*Passing chips. Allowed?
Capitol: No way.
Slime: Apparently so -- saw a girl give a guy like $40 in chips from across the table. (note: written rules say it is not allowed.)

I think I'm just bitching for my own benefit. I have to remember this isn't the pros. More money to be won, more shit to deal with. Eh.

 

[Hagar]

Rules are in place for a purpose and they should be followed whether it's a nickle ante game or a $500K NL game. It doesn't take an extra $3 drop to enforce rules.

Just more reasons for me not to go play at the Slime. Too bad because it's about 3 minutes from my work and around the corner from a buddy's place that I usually have 3 hours to kill between work and games at his house. Oh well....

 

[shiz]

River comes and she bets out, I raise, she looks back at the table, flips her cards up, and returns to talking.

This does not make her hand dead ESPECIALLY if you are heads up. If there are more people in the hand its kind of a no-no because theres action behind her (still doesn't make her hand dead but its a very stupid way to play obviously.) But if you are heads up you can do or say whatever you want, including exposing your cards. As long as the cards do not touch the muck the hand is live. That is a standard rule no matter where you play.

 

[Quads]

River comes and she bets out, I raise, she looks back at the table, flips her cards up, and returns to talking.

This does not make her hand dead ESPECIALLY if you are heads up. If there are more people in the hand its kind of a no-no because theres action behind her (still doesn't make her hand dead but its a very stupid way to play obviously.) But if you are heads up you can do or say whatever you want, including exposing your cards. As long as the cards do not touch the muck the hand is live. That is a standard rule no matter where you play.

Not in a cash game.....

 

[shiz]

River comes and she bets out, I raise, she looks back at the table, flips her cards up, and returns to talking.

This does not make her hand dead ESPECIALLY if you are heads up. If there are more people in the hand its kind of a no-no because theres action behind her (still doesn't make her hand dead but its a very stupid way to play obviously.) But if you are heads up you can do or say whatever you want, including exposing your cards. As long as the cards do not touch the muck the hand is live. That is a standard rule no matter where you play.

Not in a cash game.....

yes, even in a cash game. If you are heads up you can do or say anything you like as long as your cards don't touch the muck.

 

[Quads]

I've seen it used and valid in quite a bit of tourney play.
In cash games, I've seen it on a rare instance. Very rare. And the player was barked at.

However YMMV.

Is there anything in Roberts Rules or Cookes Rules? Those seem to be the standard across the poker world.