BYOC Home Game Rakes the Table!

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Quads

Discussion Starter · Jan 6, 2005

Now that I have your attention, let me see if I can spin this in a light the way I stumbled though this idea in my head on the way home.

We have always been trying to figure a way to do something cool like a running high hand jackpot or bad beat jackpot. Some people didn't feel this was fair due to the fact that not all players caught each game / schedule / event, etc.

So here is my initial thought with a few other ideas. Keep in mind this would only apply to cash games as tourneys are already skimmed for HHJP's.

Depending on the host, and what they wanted to do:
Rake the small blind on a cash game. This is $10 on our standard $10/25 blind structure on our typical $40 dollar buy so it ends up being 40 cents a hand. Everything else goes into the pot and the hand / game is played normally. When someone hits one of the conditions to hit the jackpot, then the kitty goes to them at the end of the night.

Figuring we play roughly 25 or so hands an hour, the math would be:
.04cents * 10 (the SB) * 25 hands an hour * 5 five hours of play = $50

If that isn't 100% fair, (due to people leaving earlier than others or showing up late) then build the jackpot as you normally would by raking the SB and if someone hits a hand that qualifies, then they take the jackpot, what ever amount. For example, a hand of Aces full of Tens or better will take the HHJP.

I like the HHJP format better than the qualifying hand method as this provides instant gratification for a player at the end of the night.
If someone racks up a high hand and decides to roll out early, then the host hold the cash for them until either the next game or the coordinate getting it to them one way or another.

Ideas?
Thoughts?
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BigKahuna

· #2 · Jan 6, 2005

I don't think we should get into raking pots for anything. It is wierd how human beings just get bored with a good thing and need to keep coming up with more and more ideas to potentially ruin a good thing.....me included.

I think our number one priority as a group should be to promote as many people as possible getting their own table so that we have the choice of 2 or 3 games to play in every weekend. That way we can have a pick of a $100, $50 and $25 buy-in game to pick from.

In addition, I would like to expand on the idea of making the mixed games a bigger part of the home games and coming up with a better system to make this happen. I think the more we can diversify our games, the more tourneys we can enter and make our presence felt.

This is not a slam on Quads but more of an observation of the ongoing conversations that happen on this board. I just think it is better to put more attention into the nuts and bolts of our games and increasing the hosts, the buy-in opportunities, and type of games played......rather than focusing on elaborate points systems, high hand jack pots etc.

I know I will probably get flamed for this and if you must, no worries.

Lastly, I would love to encourage more education at the tables and talking at the tables specifically about hands and how each of us can make each other better through sharing knowledge and helping each other with our games. I will be promoting that type of table talk at all my games.

Sorry Quads for hi-jacking your post with this, my head was just getting too full with all the directions this group is heading in.

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Hagar

· #3 · Jan 6, 2005

I'm not at all into anything raked. If we want to do voluntary HHJPs for a single night, fine. I don't want to see us get into any jackpot concept that stretches longer than a single game or session.

It is wierd how human beings just get bored with a good thing and need to keep coming up with more and more ideas to potentially ruin a good thing.....me included.

Yeah, we all seem to want to stray from what works.

...so that we have the choice of 2 or 3 games to play in every weekend.

This would be outstanding, if we could pull it off. We're getting close to having enough bodies to do this.

Lastly, I would love to encourage more education at the tables and talking at the tables specifically about hands and how each of us can make each other better through sharing knowledge and helping each other with our games. I will be promoting that type of table talk at all my games.

I love this concept. I know I've learned a lot from our games and want to continue to grow. I have no issue offering any knowledge I have to others if they want it - the stronger my "sparring" partners are, the stronger I will be in the long run.

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DA

· #4 · Jan 6, 2005

open

I'm open to Quad's idea. But, I also like the notion of more people getting a table so we can have options each weekend. I ran into a guy at the Lucky Derby who stated that he plays poker every other night or so (even for just a few hours) within his group. I know financially this would be tough for most, but the idea of having the opportunity if one wished would be awesome.

I'd like to explore getting a table as well and host once in a while.

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· #5 · Jan 6, 2005

My two cents worth puts me in the same camp as BK and Hags. No point though in restating what's already been said. I agree with their observations and suggestions.

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Quads

Discussion Starter · #6 · Jan 6, 2005

BigKahuna said:
I don't think we should get into raking pots for anything. It is wierd how human beings just get bored with a good thing and need to keep coming up with more and more ideas to potentially ruin a good thing.....me included.

OK, fair enough, yur not a fan of it. Again, it was an idea.

BigKahuna said:
I think our number one priority as a group should be to promote as many people as possible getting their own table so that we have the choice of 2 or 3 games to play in every weekend. That way we can have a pick of a $100, $50 and $25 buy-in game to pick from.

I don't wholy agree with this. Some people will have tables and others won't. Those who want them will build / buy them nad others won't. That's jsut the way it is. I don't think our primary goal should be to promote everyone having a table. There are several games to choose from as it stands. I play a time or two a week and have 2 or 3 different choices on the weekends of what game to play. Either in this group or other groups I play in.

BigKahuna said:
In addition, I would like to expand on the idea of making the mixed games a bigger part of the home games and coming up with a better system to make this happen. I think the more we can diversify our games, the more tourneys we can enter and make our presence felt.

Totally agreed. I'm a big fan of mixed games and don't be surprised if you see these as part of the fabric of my hosting.

BigKahuna said:
This is not a slam on Quads but more of an observation of the ongoing conversations that happen on this board. I just think it is better to put more attention into the nuts and bolts of our games and increasing the hosts, the buy-in opportunities, and type of games played......rather than focusing on elaborate points systems, high hand jack pots etc.

No slam taken.

BigKahuna said:
Lastly, I would love to encourage more education at the tables and talking at the tables specifically about hands and how each of us can make each other better through sharing knowledge and helping each other with our games. I will be promoting that type of table talk at all my games.

BigKahuna said:
Sorry Quads for hi-jacking your post with this, my head was just getting too full with all the directions this group is heading in.

No problem. You share your thoughts and ideas, which I appreciate and I hope to do the same!

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· #7 · Jan 6, 2005

I think all of the suggestions are fine. We just have to make sure as a club that our hosts are very clear on the details of their event so there are no surprises to any of players who show up.

As long as we're not breaking the law, I don't see an issue at this point.

If a format has an audience, then post it.

http://www.byocpc.com

The key is, "do you have an audience".

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BigKahuna

· #8 · Jan 6, 2005

Quads said:
We think differently on this point. If you want to talk poker then visit http://www.pokermeetup.com and visit with people around town that get together to talk about poker and the game, styles of play, what could have happened, etc. When I host, I host to play cards. When I go to a game, I go to play cards. If I want to expand on my game, then I will read, and continue to play to earn more experience as a player. When I'm on a table, I'm not there to dicuss your hand with you and help you understand your outs and what the potential of your hand was, nor do I expect that of you for my hand. yes, I want to be social, and enjoy everyone's company at the table, but I'm there to play cards.

Maybe I should have been more detailed. I do agree with most of what you said above, but if I am in the hand with someone and it is a creatively played hand or someone wondered if they played it correctly, and most importantly if the hand was shown down, at that point I would answer a question as to why I played the hand a certain way or talk a bit about the psychology of the hand. I too am not in to the basic mechanics of playing, but more about the subtle nuances, the psychology and some of the advanced topics in the game like implied odds, calling based on pot odds even when you don;t have the best of it, bluffing based on the texture of the flop and the playing style of your opponent, and the art of putting people on hands.

I think these are fun topics to talk about and since we have such a fun and close knit group, why nit indulge while at the same time stealing each others money.

As for the choice of games to play, I wuold like to see 2 or 3 games being offered within this group. It is great that you have other groups to play with but the topic was based on this group. Shit, I can go to the Derby and play every night of the week and be poker satisfied but for me it would be missing that feeling I get when I play with fun people that I know.

By the way, any takers on those tables that you picked up.....specifically new members to the group?

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Hagar

· #9 · Jan 6, 2005

BigKahuna wrote:
[quote:33qqgiaf]Lastly, I would love to encourage more education at the tables and talking at the tables specifically about hands and how each of us can make each other better through sharing knowledge and helping each other with our games. I will be promoting that type of table talk at all my games.

We think differently on this point. If you want to talk poker then visit http://www.pokermeetup.com and visit with people around town that get together to talk about poker and the game, styles of play, what could have happened, etc. When I host, I host to play cards. When I go to a game, I go to play cards. If I want to expand on my game, then I will read, and continue to play to earn more experience as a player. When I'm on a table, I'm not there to dicuss your hand with you and help you understand your outs and what the potential of your hand was, nor do I expect that of you for my hand. yes, I want to be social, and enjoy everyone's company at the table, but I'm there to play cards. [/quote:33qqgiaf]

I agree, that I wouldn't want to spend too much game time talking about poker theory etc. I think it would be a great concept to have an occasional poker "talk" sessions where those interested could gather and just talk about a specific situation or concept. Kind of a poker "study group" if you will. I don't know if there wold be a whole lot of interest in such an activity, but I think it would do us all a lot of good to try it.

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Rob

· #10 · Jan 6, 2005

Quads said:
So here is my initial thought with a few other ideas. Keep in mind this would only apply to cash games as tourneys are already skimmed for HHJP's.

Ideas?
Thoughts?
Comments?

I'm against raking in our games.

If you as the host want a HHJP, you could collect $5 from anyone wanting to participate. Not manditory participation. Set a time limit (say midnight) and award the HHJP at 12. Games go on, those not interested are not impacted (even if they had a high hand), early leavers at least know what time they need to stay till. The kitty is known in advance, little impact on the game, dealers dont have another extra chore.

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solring

· #11 · Jan 7, 2005

bigdogmetz said:
www.byocpc.com

Where did this site come from?

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Quads

Discussion Starter · #12 · Jan 8, 2005

Where did this site come from?

Jerry the Pimp is the creator of the BYOCPC

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