Washer Plans?

[IgotDANUTZ]

Anyone have any? I played the game two weeks ago had a blast and won some money. Was sooooo drunk couldnt remember the dimensions or distances I was given by teh guy who brought them

[SVTF]

Here is a .pdf plan ...

Classic version:

http://www.washerplayers.net/_misc/building/squarewashersboxes_advanced.pdf

3 hole version, never seen played before:

http://www.washerplayers.net/_misc/building/WashersBoards_Nested.pdf

I know some people attach the 2 boxes with rope so that you get the same distance between boxes every time, that does not seem to be in the above.

[IgotDANUTZ]

Thanks a bunch man!! Gotta love this site!

[T]

I might have to make up a set of the box ones this summer. I've still got that field turf I want to use in the bottom of the boards.

T

[Irish]

I have a family party this weekend so I threw together a set of these washer boxes so the adults have something to do besides watch the kids run around. I had a couple of 2x4s and some left over 1/2" ply, so all I needed to pick up was the 4" PVC pipe. I wanted to line the inside with that green exterior grass-like carpet, but the tool at home depot was too lazy to cut me a remnant and I sure as hell wasn't paying $20 for a 8x10 sheet of something I'd probably never use again. So I grabbed a couple of feet of some exterior runner carpet for a few bucks instead. Total price was about $10 and it took me about an hour and half to assemble everything.

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd106/irishpenguin75/forums/IMG_4733.jpg

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd106/irishpenguin75/forums/IMG_4734.jpg

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd106/irishpenguin75/forums/IMG_4735.jpg

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd106/irishpenguin75/forums/IMG_4736.jpg
The ply cuts are about as straight as a wet noodle, it was late and I couldn't set up outside properly with a circular saw so I eyeballed it with a sawzall instead, LOL. For what they're being used for they're good enough. ;)

[T]

hey Irish

How did you affix the pipes?

T

[Irish]

hey Irish

How did you affix the pipes?

T

Screwed in with drywall screws from underneath:

Bottom view of the box:
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd106/irishpenguin75/forums/IMG_4736.jpg

You can see the outline of where the pipe is on the other side. I pre-drilled some pilot holes in both the wood and PVC then screwed them in. I may add another couple of screws, but it seemed pretty solid with just the two of them.

[T]

i guess that makes sense. I saw that, but didn't know if you used some sort of L bracket or something like that.

Something you may want to do: Add some handles for easier transport. You could even install some latch type mechanism to lock both boards to each other, with the pvc pipes turned into each other when not in use.

Just an idea.

T

[IgotDANUTZ]

Very nice!! I wnated to build a set but my wife beat me to it and got me a set from dicks sporting goods:)

[Irish]

i guess that makes sense. I saw that, but didn't know if you used some sort of L bracket or something like that.

Something you may want to do: Add some handles for easier transport. You could even install some latch type mechanism to lock both boards to each other, with the pvc pipes turned into each other when not in use.

Just an idea.

T

Yeah I've seen some of the premade Wally-world ones with handles and latches, I'll probably do that eventually. I've also seen someone measure out and string a chord between the boxes, so you always have the same distance and don't have to measure it out every time.

On a side note, for anyone thinking about trying to make really nice and finished looking boxes - these things get beat to shit. Nics, scrapes and indentations everywhere, definitely not worth the effort.

[IgotDANUTZ]

yEHA THEY Do get beat to shit, played for 7 hours before the kenny chesney show this apst saturday. One thing that i saw that I thought was pretty cool was putting sand in the box so it "checks up" instead of bouncing out. What is the distance suposed to be between them???????

[T]

Here is a .pdf plan ...

Classic version:

http://www.washerplayers.net/_misc/building/squarewashersboxes_advanced.pdf

3 hole version, never seen played before:

http://www.washerplayers.net/_misc/building/WashersBoards_Nested.pdf

I know some people attach the 2 boxes with rope so that you get the same distance between boxes every time, that does not seem to be in the above.

Thinking about knocking out a set of washers for this weekends July 4th festivities for the kids.

I'm REALLY liking the looks of the octagon plans:
http://www.washerplayers.net/_misc/building/octagon-washer-box.pdf

also, if you look at the octagon plans, it appears they cut out a puck to insert inside the pvc pipe, screw the puck to the bottom of the box, then screw the pvc pipe to the puck.

T

[IgotDANUTZ]

T, have you played the game before? Its freaking awesome. I m hooked. DIdnt even know it but the neighbors about 10 houses down run their own league. You can bet your ass Ill be getting in that one. Try throwing some sand in the bottom otherwise they "jump" right out whne they hit the bottom. We also use a larger washer then what is called for.

[Irish]

We also use a larger washer then what is called for.

Holy shit, I had enough trouble finding 2 1/2" washers, where did you find bigger ones?

[T]

I've played before.

I have some Field Turf remnants from our new football field. I will be swinging by the storage garage to pick up some sand and rubber pebbles if the turf doesn't provide enough shock absorption.

I've started construction of the walls. Fucking pain in the dick. First one looks ok, but I must have had the 22.5 off a hair or had some badly warped scrap 2x4's. First one looks good. Would look better if it was all nailed together with a nail gun though.

Post some pics later after I clean up the basement, as we are getting carpets cleaned tomorrow so all the shit needs to be taken out of the room.

T

[T]

Here are some build photos. I have the walls of base #1 built completed.

I have used the plans/concept from the link I posted in post 12.

This is the saw I've used. I think Irish did a review of this saw. Here I have set the angle at 22.5* for the ideal angle for building an octagon.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c23/TrumpTables/Poker%20Tables/OctoWashers001.jpg



Close up of the degree meter thingy on the back of the saw:
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c23/TrumpTables/Poker%20Tables/OctoWashers002.jpg

Biggest complaint with this saw....the dust collection bag sucks my nuts:
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c23/TrumpTables/Poker%20Tables/OctoWashers007.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c23/TrumpTables/Poker%20Tables/OctoWashers008.jpg

All 16 7.5" blocks of wood, cut with 22.5* angle cuts:
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c23/TrumpTables/Poker%20Tables/OctoWashers006.jpg

Dry fit of the cuts:
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c23/TrumpTables/Poker%20Tables/OctoWashers005.jpg

One of the problems I have found with this method is the screws don't really counter sink all that well:
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c23/TrumpTables/Poker%20Tables/OctoWashers011.jpg



This is what happens when you use old scrap 2x4's that are a bit warped:
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c23/TrumpTables/Poker%20Tables/OctoWashers009.jpg

This is the end result of me making it work and forced together. Measured the insides and pretty much 15.25" diameter on the inside edge all the way around:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c23/TrumpTables/Poker%20Tables/OctoWashers010.jpg

I haven't purchased any materials yet for this project. I have some scrap ply for the bases. All I really need to pick up is the 4" PVC pipe and and the washers. Should have it complete for the festivities for the 4th.

T

[j p frog]

if you used a stop block when cutting the angles to ensure the exact same length of each section, the gap wouldn't have happened. It isn't the scrap wood, it is the length of each section that makes the difference. if you predrilled your holes before you put the screws in and also used a countersink bit the screws wouldn't have stuck out. Just a couple hints buddy!

[T]

I did pre-drill the holes. I don't have a countersink bit. Considering this is something just to keep the kids busy while we drink and play bags.

T

[j p frog]

actually you don't have to have a countersink bit. Use the phillips end in your drill and round out the hole to make a countersink. I was not criticizing your efforts, just offering advice on how to improve it sir. I have make a few octagons in my day.

[T]

feel free to criticize, you are the master woodworker, not me. Once I slap some paint on these, you won't notice the screw heads as much.....I hope.

I also put some wood glue on the ends too before I screwed them. The square box would be 100x easier to make up, but I really like the look of the octo boxes.

T

[Irish]

Looks good T. A word of warning that may be obvious but I'll say it anyway - if you have really little kids at the party, keep them a good distance away from the boxes while people are throwing. Every now and then you'll get one that catches the pipe just right and will go flying several feet. Catch one on the shin and you'll feel it for a few days. :D

And yeah the dust bag on that saw sucks ass.

[j p frog]

I agree they do look better....how about next time make a laminated circle to mirror the PVC pipe center? not too hard to do...just glue and clamps!

[T]

Build Part II

I spent the morning after my meeting @ work....still employed w00t! but have a new boss. No biggie.

I assembled #2 set of walls. By this time my helpers came out and one of them wanted to assist me. This one...not so much....
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c23/TrumpTables/Poker%20Tables/OctoWashers2005.jpg


I grabbed some scrap sheets of 1/4" ply, traced the outer edge of the walls, and grabbed the Bosch jig saw to cut out the bases. I told the boy if he wanted to be out in the garage, he had to wear his safety glasses.
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c23/TrumpTables/Poker%20Tables/OctoWashers2002.jpg

Of course, by this time, I realized I hadn't taken any pictures so I went in grabbed the camera and took a photo of the cut out bases. I went back to my first poker table build idea, and labeled the bottom to line up with the wall, lettering them A and B:
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c23/TrumpTables/Poker%20Tables/OctoWashers2009.jpg

at this point I was busy snapping off a goddamn drill bit drilling pilot holes in the base, so unwittingly to me, the kid grabbed the camera and started taking all sorts of random ass photos, this one wasn't too bad.
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c23/TrumpTables/Poker%20Tables/OctoWashers2006.jpg

I then asked him if he wanted to use the drill to screw in the base to the walls. He jumped at the chance, but wasn't very efficient, but he enjoyed it. I don't recall my Pops ever getting me to help out on a project like this.
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c23/TrumpTables/Poker%20Tables/OctoWashers2010.jpg

Finished base attached to the walls:
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c23/TrumpTables/Poker%20Tables/OctoWashers2011.jpg

Of course, I fucked this up because I screwed them in nice and tight. But I now don't have a way to get to the puck to screw the PVC into the puck. So I have to take the bases off to apply the puck. OOOPS. Live and learn, minor mistake.


At this point, I was getting the paint out getting ready to paint em up, but then the carpet cleaners showed up, so that put a hault to the operation in the garage. They left after about an hour, so I figured a great time to run out to Lowes to pick up the PVC and some washers. What a fucking nightmare!

Lowes only has 5' sections of PVC for over $8. I only need 7", not 5 FEET! So I get pissed because they only have washers that are 2" in diameter. I clearly ;) remember seeing larger washers a Home Depot, so I load up the kid, head down the road to HD. They only have 2 foot sections or 10' sections. The 2' section is $7.29....and only 2" washers. I'm like FUCK ME! it never fails. The kid at HD was awesome and tipped me off to Fastenall, a store that only deals in nuts/bolts/screws/etc. and he mentioned a product called PLASTI DIP to coat the washers in. Think rubber grips on cheapo pliers and stuff.

So I say fuck it....back to Lowes. Get a 5' section of 4" PCV, some lock mechanishms and a black spray can of Plasti Dip for the washers (1 set). As we are heading home, I hit up Ace Hardware on a whim to see if they have Plasti Dip. I ended up in the washer section and they actually have 2.5" washers. w00t! So I grabbed 8 of them, asked the dude if they carried Plasti Dip. They had the drop in can for over $10. Fucking robbery, but now I can coat both sets.

Goddamn never goes smoothly.


T

[j p frog]

do you have a router? if so a flush trim bit will make the bottom fit exactly. Looks great so far. My pops wasn't a shop guy, but both gpas were and I had plenty of shop time with them to learn the ropes. Your son looks like he enjoys time with you. Keep it up sir.

[Wedge Rock]

If you get points for landing it in the box, why would you deaden the box with carpet or sand such that its easier to get it in the box?

[T]

If you get points for landing it in the box, why would you deaden the box with carpet or sand such that its easier to get it in the box?

It is a 15 inch octagon with a 4" center pipe, where you throw a 2.5" washer from 20 feet away, while consuming multiple adult beverages. I'll be lucky if I hit the octagon, let alone get one to stick in the box.

I played this once at my cousin's house at a party. It was a cheapo, over priced store bought version. Unless you put it in the pipe, getting ANY washer to stay in the center ring is damn near impossible, even from a distance of only about 10 feet.

T

[T]

Build Part III

So after the clusterfuck of this afternoon, I of course felt the need to finish this project before I went to sleep.

To cut the PVC, I used the Ryobi with the shitty dust bag. Why...it was right there and I didn't want to get out a circular saw to cut the goddamn pipe. It worked, not all that well, but I got it cut.

Once I cut out the 2, 3.5" lengths of 4" pipe, I traced the interior on some scrap 1/4" ply. Got out the Bosch jig saw and cut out the pucks. They fit snugly in the pipe.
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c23/TrumpTables/Poker%20Tables/IMG_7677.jpg



Now I found the center by measuring 2" from a few points, checked the intersection from the rest of the edge and drilled a pilot hole through the center.
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c23/TrumpTables/Poker%20Tables/IMG_7682.jpg



To make things easier, as the other PVC pipe is the exact same as the other, I just stuck both pucks into a pipe, drilled through the already existing pilot hole, to start the pilot hole in the 2nd puck. Remove both, finish pilot hole #2.
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c23/TrumpTables/Poker%20Tables/IMG_7680.jpg


Now it was time to find the center of the boxes. Measured to about 7 5/8" or so. Drilled a pilot hole in the bottom of the base. I did these individually. Now I started a screw through the bottom of the box, got the puck on the nub of screw sticking out and screwed the puck to the bottom of the box.
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c23/TrumpTables/Poker%20Tables/IMG_7678.jpg

I then drilled a few pilot holes through the PVC, through the puck, into the base. Now making the pipe stable and essentially part of the base. Photo was taken after I put the walls back on.
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c23/TrumpTables/Poker%20Tables/IMG_7681.jpg


Now its time for the Field Turf. Yes this is the same stuff used on all the NFL and most of the NCAA football fields. The real deal. I grabbed some remnants last summer, basically for this project.
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c23/TrumpTables/Poker%20Tables/IMG_7684.jpg
got quite a bit extra!
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c23/TrumpTables/Poker%20Tables/IMG_7691.jpg

I should have measured out the turf when I had the walls off, but I'm not that smart. So this is what I did.



I put the Turf, with the black backing up(this was box #2). I then put the box, face down, and traced the outline with a knife.
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c23/TrumpTables/Poker%20Tables/IMG_7690.jpg



I then used some heavy duty shears to cut out the large Turf insert.
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c23/TrumpTables/Poker%20Tables/IMG_7685.jpg


Since I'm not smart. I had to do an extra step. I got a scrap 2x4, put it on its side and traced the width of the walls, all the way around the big cut out.
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c23/TrumpTables/Poker%20Tables/IMG_7686.jpg


Now to cutout the pipe area. I measured the distance from the walls to the pipe, put the insert black side up, grabbed the big ass 4.5' long scrap piece I now have, centered it up and traced with a knife.
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c23/TrumpTables/Poker%20Tables/IMG_7687.jpg


Once traced, I made a slit, got the shears in the Turf and cut out the center.
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c23/TrumpTables/Poker%20Tables/IMG_7688.jpg

Cut out fits like butta!
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c23/TrumpTables/Poker%20Tables/IMG_7689.jpg

Rinse and repeat for box #2.


End Result....
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c23/TrumpTables/Poker%20Tables/IMG_7692.jpg


This is that Plasti Dip stuff. I purchased both the spray can
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c23/TrumpTables/Poker%20Tables/IMG_7694.jpg

and the dip can,
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c23/TrumpTables/Poker%20Tables/IMG_7695.jpg


just to have 2 different colors. If this works well, I might use this to seal the bed in my Gator at work. I am interested to see how well, and how many coats it is going to take to get a nice coating on the washers.

Update to come later on the coated washers tomorrow. Sorry for the long winded teal dear, but I figured why the hell not.

T

[T]

The drop in Plasti Dip sucks balls, if you are doing 2.5" washers or larger. Probably couldn't use it for 3", as the container has to be squeezed into an oblong shape to fit the washers. Spray can is the way to go.

T

[j p frog]

The drop in Plasti Dip sucks balls, if you are doing 2.5" washers or larger. Probably couldn't use it for 3", as the container has to be squeezed into an oblong shape to fit the washers. Spray can is the way to go.

T

ahem....why not put it into a larger container...like a margarine container with a lid..then the dipping is easy.(aren't I full of helpfull hints?):rolleyes:

[T]

ahem....why not put it into a larger container...like a margarine container with a lid..then the dipping is easy.(aren't I full of helpfull hints?):rolleyes:

Blow Me Frog. I just used brute force and bent the round can into an ellipse. Worked fine.

I really like how the dipping PD covers, nice and thick, but not so much with the smoothness. 2 coats of the dipping PD is way thicker than the spray can's 6 coats.

I have photos, but the wife is up my ass to get the trimming done around the house with all the people coming over.

T

[Irish]

Blow Me Frog. I just used brute force and bent the round can into an ellipse. Worked fine.

I really like how the dipping PD covers, nice and thick, but not so much with the smoothness. 2 coats of the dipping PD is way thicker than the spray can's 6 coats.

I have photos, but the wife is up my ass to get the trimming done around the house with all the people coming over.

T

Let us know how the plastic dip holds up after a few games. I used regular ol' rustoleum spray paint on mine and they were beat to crap after a couple of hours.

[T]

Good thing I rushed and finished these goddamn washers game for the 4th of July.....IT RAINED ALL FUCKING DAY!!!!!!

But I did get them stained with a latch to keep 'em closed. At least they look sharp.

T

[j p frog]

no final pix = FAIL

[T]

no final pix = FAIL

Once again....BMF (Blow Me Frog)

I could barely function when I posted last night after drinking the better part of the whole day. Of course it stops raining around 7:30/8:00, just as it was getting dark outside.

I'll get some final photos taken today.

T

[j p frog]

lol....looking forward to seeing them when you can get your head out of the toilet!

[T]

Just because I haven't ever heard of the plasti dip before, I just had to do it.

As a whole, I think it worked OK. I was thinking of a way in which I could do this without messing up too much. So I engineered the following contraption out of a broom handle and a milk crate:
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c23/TrumpTables/Poker%20Tables/IMG_7698.jpg

I then cut some old fishing line to create loops to either hang or dip the washers.



The spray Plasti Dip is the way to go. Granted you need to do more coats, but on the whole, much easier, plus you don't have to worry about the washers not fitting in the container. Just hang and spray. You can also lay the washers down flat on something like a paint stir stick, where you can get to the washer without it drying to some newspaper and creating a big mess with the paper stuck to the washers.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c23/TrumpTables/Poker%20Tables/IMG_7700.jpg



The red washers, I think coated better, only 2 coats, which seem to be thicker than the 6 coats of the spray on. But, there is more "defects" in the coating as the fishing line gets stuck more in the red and causing more damage when the line is removed. They also had quite a bit of "deformations" as the stuff moved south due to gravity.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c23/TrumpTables/Poker%20Tables/IMG_7703.jpg

The diameter of the Plasti Dip can is too narrow for a washer to fit, so you either need to pour it into another container, or just modify the can, as I did.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c23/TrumpTables/Poker%20Tables/IMG_7704.jpg


Drying between coats:
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c23/TrumpTables/Poker%20Tables/IMG_7702.jpg


Finished product, spray on PLASTI DIP:
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c23/TrumpTables/Poker%20Tables/IMG_7774.jpg

Finished product, dunking PLASTI DIP:
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c23/TrumpTables/Poker%20Tables/IMG_7777.jpg


My assessment thus far. I think this will work much better than traditional spray paint, just for the durability factor. Granted I didn't get to play as it rained all goddamn day. Do I think the rubber coating will prevent or lessen any injuries from a wayward washer.....probably not, but they will probably not mar up/discolor your boxes nearly as much as a spray painted set of washers will.

T

[T]

Final photos:

Only thing I will probably do is add some sort of handle mechanism.

Locked up for storage, keep the washers in the center pipes:
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c23/TrumpTables/Poker%20Tables/IMG_7765.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c23/TrumpTables/Poker%20Tables/IMG_7766.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c23/TrumpTables/Poker%20Tables/IMG_7769.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c23/TrumpTables/Poker%20Tables/IMG_7770.jpg


T

[j p frog]

nice work...and you are so artistic with the layout of the washers...but then that's not a surprise...you wear CROCS!!!!